I think most of us know that when we sit with people beside a fire for a chat, it seems to change the quality of what we talk about. It some ways it is surprising that it has taken me so long to record an episode talking to somebody while we sit in front of a fire, but that is exactly what I got to do with my guest for this week, Josh McLean.

Talking beside a fire seemed to help us realise that there was no rush to talking about what we needed to talk about. It was our bodies remembered that this is how we have talked about important things for millennia, and we slipped right into a mode of gently winding our way through topics and conversation.

Josh has started a business called The Bush Tannery, where he practises the ancient craft of creating things like clothing and blankets from animal skins. He makes use of everything from fish to wallaby skin, and also uses his skills as a way to teach others this craft as a way helping them connect with their bodies, with each other, and with the natural world around them.

Josh has a patient and thoughtful way about him, and I hope you get as much out of our chat as I did.

If you enjoyed listening to Josh you may also like my conversation with Al Jeffery on connecting with each other in an urban setting, or Samuel Alexander on activism through lifestyle.

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