There are moments in our life when we cross a threshold. A place where, once we pass through, we can no longer go back. The experience cannot be unexperienced. Another person now stands in the place of the one that was here in the moment before. These moments can happen in seconds, or they can happen across years.

How does one even begin to think about the kind of worlds that might exist in 2075? Those working in the world of foresight specialise in this kind of thing, and although we didn't talk about it directly in this conversation, I think it is one of the emerging skillsets of this episode's guest, Jess Price.

The moment is surreal on many levels. This week’s guest retired from AFL football soon after I started this podcast. As an avid Carlton supporter I had admired him from afar for, among other things, his whole-hearted approach to every contest in every game. I remember reading what he was saying was next for him after stepping away from football: to help other players with the journey he was now on, transitioning from being a professional athlete to something else.

As we walked around Melbourne's Hoa Nghiem Buddhist Temple, I start to develop a new perspective for my friend, and this week's guest, Hoang Anh Cat. This is not a new thing for my relationship with Cat - it seems that every time I spend time with her I become aware of a new part of her.

Weaving a story of people and place through genuine curiosity and an intention to help, is something that seems to come naturally to Desmond John. A crucial connector across Melbourne’s start-up ecosystem, Des is a tour guide extraordinaire in the literal, abstract, and mythical sense.